Trade tarrifs

[buyarbi]

Everyone is thinking about these so let’s discuss it! This is a worldwide site with people that are generally speaking at an age where we can think a little more then we did out of highschool. I am Canadian and tarrifs that The United States have imposed have been initiated by one man, not a country, bypassing all government institutions , by implying that Canada is a threat to the United States.
This gives him the POWER to play mine is bigger than yours at his will. I would imagine tarrifs places on other country’s have been put on using the same reasoning. The cost of these tarrifs are born by the citizens of all country’s while a certain few will take advantage of lower stock prices and company’s that can no longer survive in the existing economy. If you are in the position of taking advantage of this situation ,good for you,but if you are not I wish you well. This is not the time to be subservient

[mmaupin]

I voted for Trump and will do so again. I am mighty proud of him for leveling the playing field. Our country, the USA is on a path to failure if some basic things do not get straightened out. Our trade deals suck, our middle class is almost non-existent and our Southern border is way out of control. I have been tromping around this earth for a little over 65 years now. In that length of time, the US population has more than doubled. Why? We really do not need all of those immigrants.

What is wrong with fair trade? I would suggest that Justin Trudeau "man up".

On the up side, our military is in better shape, unemployment down, wages are up and our overall economy is improving, with middle class jobs on the rise.

Do't get me wrong, Canada is a fine country. I admire the hockey, LaBatts Blue, Rye whiskey and I think I even took a 222 once upon a time.

Subservient? That sounds like something Schumer or Pellosi would say.

[buyarbi]

Did you notice how Harley Davidson and indian are happily rolling into the mire with a 25% tariff.
BOSS HOSS hit with a 25% tariff would be gone like a lot of other Companys in all Countrys. When you look at a government you are not looking at a population that has to contend with the results.
So you believe Buy American should take care of any lost sales. There comes a point where price does effect decisions. I am sure you agree. How is the USA going to manufacture all the china made goods.
I know of a USA based company that could get a product manufactured and sent to the USA for less money ,by far, than the same product from China and a better quality to boot. You think rising wages in the USA will reduce the cost of buying that same product in the USA.
That is just one example that I know of personally.
Can you give me a direct example of anything that has gone down in price for you because of whats going on.

[mmaupin]

Sure, Harley and Indian sold tons of MC's to old guys like myself and others. There is a rise and fall in almost any business. Harley and Indian are on the decline as the Generation X and the Millennial's typically do not buy those types of bikes.

I have a friend that is selling a nice Harley. The used Harley market is saturated.

[buyarbi]

Ok so the guys working at Harley with slow sales now are going to benefit from a 25% trade tariff on out of country sales are going to be ?????????????????????

[mmaupin]

The picture is much bigger than MC's. Canada has tariffs as well as the US. From Bloomberg (a very left leaning organization) "Canadian officials tend to use U.S. data to make their case and the Bureau of Economic Analysis has calculated the U.S. had a $7.7 billion surplus in 2016. But Statistics Canada data show it’s Canada with the surplus in goods and services, totaling C$18.8 billion ($14.6 billion) last year. That’s a $22.3 billion difference between the two measures."

With a US population 10 times that of Canada, one would think Canada's trade deficit would be huge with the US. I am okay with a balanced trade deficit.

The US is tired of bad trade deals and illegal immigration.

BTW, where does Canada stand in financial contributions to NATO?

[buyarbi]

I am just an average joe looking at things from ground level and how they effect the working guys. All the talk about data , surplus , statistics and general political information is beyond me and you as far as facts go. Do you know who owns the fedral reserve in the USA. I am looking at the effects on the world as a whole and who stands to gain.
Using Harley only as an example of action and result. There will be thousands of examples just like this in all countrys involved.
The picture is much bigger. I agree.

[Jack]

I’m just an uneducated and unregistered dummy...

So now that I have that out of the way, doesn’t Canada dictate the bump in price on imported goods? We sell at a fixed rate, and leverage tariffs on imported goods to make them align with our market. The fact that Canada is paying more for American products is on them, not Trump, right?

Trump raised tariffs on steel and aluminum, things we get from China, Mexico, and Canada.

Canada raises tariffs on motorcycles... not Trump.

Wouldn’t cheaper American steel and aluminum make the bikes cheaper to produce and therefore either more profitable or cheaper for the world? We can’t make cheap steel or aluminum without a competitive market to regain market share and benefit from economies of scale.

Do I have that right?

And my “feelings” for the record -
Secure the border
Send illegals home and tell them to get in line
Make welfare a privilege not a way of life
Worry about America first and police the world when we have our act together.
Send Hillary and everyone associated with her to prison.

That being said, Trump is an asshole way more often than he should be, and he should be someone we are proud of, but dammit if he isn’t doing what the SILENT MAJORITY wants him to do.

The outside is watching the news and listening to all of those whiney bitches who make a scene for the sake of a scene and don’t contribute to society... fuck all of them. They lost because they are in the minority, not sure why so many people think Trump stands alone... he stands with Most Americans.

We should all be embarrassed that this amazing country of ours forced us to vote for Hillary or Trump... we are better than that as a people, our leadership doesn’t reflect it. Trump stood for what a lot of us wanted. Had it come packaged differently; they would have won by more.

[Grand Canard]

Until now, the USA charged 2.5% tariff for decades on imported vehicles regardless of origin. America’s “friends” such as EU imposes 15%, Japan and Korea even higher which is totally unfair, Trump is calling them out on it and incredibly they are upset, not even embarrassed.
Trump is doing exactly what I hired him to do and I couldn’t be more proud of his performance to date; Trump genuinely loves America and is systematically correcting and fixing shit; by 2024, Trump will go down as the best president and best leader the modern world has ever known.
Rick

[mmaupin]

Well said Rick!

[buyarbi]

I went to a trump rally before he became president and was quite impressed with what he had to say at the time. I hope all works out and the average person on the street is the winner.

[Oldun]

Everybody wants a level playing field until their bottom line is affected.

I'm just gonna comment on what I know: almost the whole of the non-US world including my own country piggybacks on US-funded and US-led medical drug research for the benefit of their own citizens. And does not pay market price. US pharma manufacturers take all the risks including the majority of research that does not pan out, and of course having to jump the idiotic, pathetic, unscientific, stupid, moronic, ill-conceived, fantastical, hemidemisemiwitted FDA high-fecally-packed-colon-inspired regulatory hoops... uh, where was I... sorry, I digressed.

The fact that some of the pharma companies egregiously rip off patients does not change the other relevant facts. Also - insurers are the problem waaaaaay more than drug manufacturers, by orders of serious fucking magnitude. Bastards.

Anyway, what I was trying to say is TANSTAAFL (for you Heinlein-readers out there). Tariffs should be equal.

What goes around comes around.

I will not comment on Trump as I am not a US citizen - but were I not a Kiwi I'd be proud to be a national of the second-best country in the world (now don't be hatin' on me now... or do, I wouldn't take it personally).

But I do see he is trying to level the playing field with tariffs.

Since when should it be a bad thing for the leader of a country to look after the interests of his country's nationals first? (Rhetorical question).

/ Rant over

[Grand Canard]

Everybody wants a level playing field until their bottom line is affected.

I'm just gonna comment on what I know: almost the whole of the non-US world including my own country piggybacks on US-funded and US-led medical drug research for the benefit of their own citizens. And does not pay market price. US pharma manufacturers take all the risks including the majority of research that does not pan out, and of course having to jump the idiotic, pathetic, unscientific, stupid, moronic, ill-conceived, fantastical, hemidemisemiwitted FDA high-fecally-packed-colon-inspired regulatory hoops... uh, where was I... sorry, I digressed.

The fact that some of the pharma companies egregiously rip off patients does not change the other relevant facts. Also - insurers are the problem waaaaaay more than drug manufacturers, by orders of serious fucking magnitude. Bastards.

Anyway, what I was trying to say is TANSTAAFL (for you Heinlein-readers out there). Tariffs should be equal.

What goes around comes around.

I will not comment on Trump as I am not a US citizen - but were I not a Kiwi I'd be proud to be a national of the second-best country in the world (now don't be hatin' on me now... or do, I wouldn't take it personally).

But I do see he is trying to level the playing field with tariffs.

Since when should it be a bad thing for the leader of a country to look after the interests of his country's nationals first? (Rhetorical question).

/ Rant over

Well Said!
I didn’t know that you are a fucking Kiwi! I always thought that you was a damn Yank living around Minnesota.
Do you currently live in New Zealand?
Rick

[Oldun]

Hey Rick - yeah I'm a NZer. Spend a lot of time abroad mostly working but also when I can, getting in riding miles and seeing the sights.

And so it came to pass that since 2003 I have acquired 2 BHs in the US and 2 in NZ (signs of V8-addiction I know). But, work gets in the way of riding (as, seriously, it should with bills to pay).

At this moment in time I am sitting in an airport waiting to head off and pick up a coupla patients to bring them back home from Laissez-Faire Socialist Care to Intensive-Expensive Care. I know where they will do better...

[Grand Canard]

Hey Rick - yeah I'm a NZer. Spend a lot of time abroad mostly working but also when I can, getting in riding miles and seeing the sights.

And so it came to pass that since 2003 I have acquired 2 BHs in the US and 2 in NZ (signs of V8-addiction I know). But, work gets in the way of riding (as, seriously, it should with bills to pay).

At this moment in time I am sitting in an airport waiting to head off and pick up a coupla patients to bring them back home from Laissez-Faire Socialist Care to Intensive-Expensive Care. I know where they will do better...

A trip to Kiwi Land is on my bucket list; hunting, fishing, camping.
Do you know Clive Jury in NZ? I shipped him this bike last year, 525hp, it’s his second BH.

[Ravinsomniac]

I heard on the News today, Harley Davidson's will now be proudly made in "Taiwan" ?!?

[Grand Canard]

I heard on the News today, Harley Davidson's will now be proudly made in "Taiwan" ?!?

Harley already has a factory in India, the bikes are for Asian market, 500cc shit.
I suspect that Harley will build a factory in Europe too soon, but I haven’t heard anything about Taiwan.
Rick

[buyarbi]

Potatoes 1/2 billion loss to usa, apples Tarriff on usa and pork shipped from other than USA. Hope you guys arnt in the ag sector. Steel being so low price in USA now has less compitition and has had to sell at an artificially low price because of imports? So now no competition you think the steel companies will not increase prices. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. All other countrys are in the same boat . How do you think this helps anyone on the street.

[Jack]

If you believe everything you read, the tariffs on steel/aluminum are a matter of national security. If we cannot support our infrastructure with our own materials, that puts us at risk.

Potatoes, apples, and pork are not going to necessarily effect national security.

FWIW - Americans throw out 30% of the food that they buy... maybe if those potatoes were 2x as expensive my wife would mash them before they go into the garbage.

[mmaupin]

Sounds like a bunch of Harley riders are going to give HD the boot.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/f- ... -for-trump

Looks like it is time for BH to step in and fill that "Proudly Made in America" void.

[knockdolian]

I was led to believe that not much of Harley was made in the US anyway ? Happy to be enlightened.

[Puff]

There are a bunch of Boss Hosses on the assembly line.
I was at the factory yesterday.
Let's hope ALL makes can do well !

Now I gotta go out to the garage and service the
tranny on my BH bike........

[Ron Radulski]

Bill, glad to hear there are a bunch of Boss Hosses on the assembly line!! Hopefully Devon's plan with Boss Hoss will work for all of us! See you in September. You know since Dyersberg is where you live, we expect the 50 cent tour of your town! LOL!

[Qmouse]

It’s a total of 15 minutes. And you’ve seen it all.

[Puff]

Ron,

That would be .15