Hi All, As most of you may know already, I've been looking into this case for over a year now. My feeling is, There is really something to this case. And I would hope, that this opinion will not label me as a "Nut Case." Because I can assure you I am not. I've just come to realize, That things aren't what we have been lead to believe. I'm not asking anyone to change what they currently think. You have the right and free will to do and think what ever you wish. I'm only asking that you would take the time to watch it and then think about it. It's a long video (4hrs) so take your time.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid= ... um=10&so=0&
Carb. Mike
Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.
The Billy Meier Case
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Carbmike is a Nutcase!carburetormike wrote:And I would hope, that this opinion will not label me as a "Nut Case."
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi Rob, Do I have to teach you eveything? Here is how to really be funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IOEQ4kNxx8
Carb. Mike
For our struggle is not with flesh and blood but with principalities, with the powers, with the world rulers of this present darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens.
--- Ephesians 6-12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IOEQ4kNxx8
Carb. Mike
For our struggle is not with flesh and blood but with principalities, with the powers, with the world rulers of this present darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens.
--- Ephesians 6-12
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Michael Horn has just posted on his site. 2 new articles that corroborate earlier statements made by Billy Meier with the information he is allegedly receiving from the Plajaren visitors. Mr. Meiers has been writing prophetic information for over sixty years. The scary part is, These events are now unfolding right in front of my eyes. Have a look for yourself.
http://www.theyfly.com/
Carb. Mike
*It is incomprehensible that the human speaks of a heaven and of a kingdom of
heaven within himself, rather than to merely say: Creation, truth, knowledge,
wisdom, spirit, consciousness and existence.* - Plajaren Visitor ?
http://www.theyfly.com/
Carb. Mike
*It is incomprehensible that the human speaks of a heaven and of a kingdom of
heaven within himself, rather than to merely say: Creation, truth, knowledge,
wisdom, spirit, consciousness and existence.* - Plajaren Visitor ?
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Re: The Billy Meier Case contact # 251
Could this be the truth about how mankind came to be on this planet? Could it really be true that some humans were created to be warriors? With short 100-120 year life spans? And a tendency to become angry and aggressive relatively quickly? That became marooned/exiled here eons ago. And mixed with the naturally evolving Humans on this planet? Against orders not to. Because this mixing could or will create GIANTS. Hey I remember it says something in the Bible about the Nephilim (Fallen Angels) and that there was GIANTS in those days. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
It's a long read. I'm not telling you it's true. But what if it is? What ever it is, It's a great story anyway. And it sure would explain how fossil records go from cave men to modern man seemingly over night. Read it. See what fit.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/ ... Report_251
Respectfully Yours, Michael A. Levesque
AKA " Carburetor Mike "
President Boss Hoss Riders Association carburetor.mike@netzero.com
"We are here on Earth to lead our lives, because our conciseness must be developed. So that it gathers knowledge, gathers wisdom, builds up love, peace, freedom and harmony. The Human exists in the material life on Earth, in order to learn. Just as other Human-kinds do on other Worlds in the Entire Universe." "Billy Meier"
It's a long read. I'm not telling you it's true. But what if it is? What ever it is, It's a great story anyway. And it sure would explain how fossil records go from cave men to modern man seemingly over night. Read it. See what fit.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/ ... Report_251
Respectfully Yours, Michael A. Levesque
AKA " Carburetor Mike "
President Boss Hoss Riders Association carburetor.mike@netzero.com
"We are here on Earth to lead our lives, because our conciseness must be developed. So that it gathers knowledge, gathers wisdom, builds up love, peace, freedom and harmony. The Human exists in the material life on Earth, in order to learn. Just as other Human-kinds do on other Worlds in the Entire Universe." "Billy Meier"
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Oh! Ho! Watched this one and shared with everyone I know who has Internet! This one`s getting a lot of mileage on youtube! Speaks for it self eh? Sentience. Billy was told by Ptaah that there is intelligence in many forms not Hu-man, Plant, Animal, and Other out in the Cosmos as well. This keeps gettin` better all the time.
James Truthseeker <james_truthseeker@yahoo.ca> wrote: OK let's try again with the link.
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I'd like to hear or know what Billy Meier has to say about this.
Greetings everyone, Now I'm not one to post these kind of things here
very often, but I just had to share this with you, because when you
see this you will see why. Now I've seen some pretty amazing things in
my life time before which people don't normally see, such as UFOs,
etc, but this, this will blow your mind far beyond the solar system
when you see it!
Now humans if I understand correctly are suppose to be the highest
expression of conscious life forms in creation while primates have not
quite reached that same level of consciousness. But I still kind of
wonder what truly is intelligence or better yet self awareness when it
comes to human and animal species. Just perhaps animals are to some
degree able to achieve self awareness.
Enjoy the show!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk
Carby Normal
James Truthseeker <james_truthseeker@yahoo.ca> wrote: OK let's try again with the link.
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I'd like to hear or know what Billy Meier has to say about this.
Greetings everyone, Now I'm not one to post these kind of things here
very often, but I just had to share this with you, because when you
see this you will see why. Now I've seen some pretty amazing things in
my life time before which people don't normally see, such as UFOs,
etc, but this, this will blow your mind far beyond the solar system
when you see it!
Now humans if I understand correctly are suppose to be the highest
expression of conscious life forms in creation while primates have not
quite reached that same level of consciousness. But I still kind of
wonder what truly is intelligence or better yet self awareness when it
comes to human and animal species. Just perhaps animals are to some
degree able to achieve self awareness.
Enjoy the show!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk
Carby Normal
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi All, So true is the statement; Absolute power, corrupts absolutely. And this statement fits in any category of Government and Religion. As we look around the world. We see things that are just not right. But somehow, It always turns out to be "THEY" started it. Because it can't be "ME", "WE", or "US" that started it. So what does society do? Well according to the Book, "It's an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." GOD said we should retaliate. "SO lets go get those bastards ! ! "
Now who is really in control "GOD" ? ? ? Or the person who wrote down their interpretation of how to control society ? ? ?
Earths Humanity needs to open it's eyes, and see these things for themselves. I've only been looking for two years, and I've found my truth about many things.
For example: Islam is not what Mohammed taught, And Christianity is not what Jmmanuel taught either. Those in the hierarchy of corrupt Religions, Corrupted the teaching in order to obtain Absolute Power.
I know this is hard for most to swallow, So I leave it with this bit of information.
Mohammed's Teachings were also Falsified
FIGU Special Bulletin number 22. http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s2 ... fragen.htm
The following is a very brief rough idea of the main themes in Special Bulletin number 22 - September 2005
Some main messages in this bulletin are that Mohammed never taught suicide, murder, or the spreading of Islam through violence or persuasion. Those things, as are currently being expressed through the actions of Islamic terrorists, are contrary to the true teachings. In addition Billy explains that Mohammed's teachings were falsified, as happened with the teachings of other prophets.
The one responsible for the main falsification has been named. He was a distant relative of Mohammed, skilled in writing, named Omar. This is according to the annals of the Plejaren, and he has never before been named in this respect.
The war theme expressed in Islam from the start is explained by the fact that Mohammed and his followers were forced to defend themselves from attackers from the start, and so Mohammed taught his followers to act in defense, according to Creational Laws, which require this of any human.
The Islamic terrorism which exists today has become the out of control monster it is now because of the activities of the US, Israel and other supporting countries, like Britain who lead their own kind of state terrorism using secret services and so forth.
[The following is an excerpt from the Bulletin. It's all we have time for this time. It is an unofficial and unapproved translation by us, Vivienne Legg and Dyson Devine, and may contain errors.]
Tatsächlich hat der Islam als Religion nichts zu tun mit dem terroristischen Djihadismus, wie auch nicht mit etwas in bezug auf ‹Heiliger Krieg› hinsichtlich einer Auseinandersetzung mit Ungläubigen durch Gewalt oder intellektuelle Überzeugungsarbeit mit dem Ziel, sie zum Islam zu bekehren.
Actually Islam as a religion has nothing to do with the terroristic Jihadism, as it also does not with something in regard to "Holy War" regarding a confrontation with unbelievers through force or intellectual persuasion work with the goal to turn them to Islam.
In der Welt des Islam wird unterschieden in ‹dar ul-Islam›, also in den eigentlichen ‹Bereich des Islam›, und in ‹dar al-harb›, den ‹Bereich des Kampfes›. Dahinter steckt jedoch nicht Muhammeds Gedanke, dass ein Krieg geführt und dieser so weit geführt werden soll, bis der Islam zur universellen Religion geworden ist.
In the world of Islam there are differences in "dar ul-Islam", therefore in the essential "realm of Islam", and in "dar al -harb", the "realm of the struggle". However, it is not behind Mohammed's thought, that a war be led and it be waged until Islam has become a universal religion.
Eine solche Interpretation von Muhammeds Lehre in dieser Beziehung ist hundertprozentig falsch, denn Muhammeds wahrheitliche Lehre verstand etwas anderes unter dem Begriff ‹Djihad› resp. ‹Dschihad› resp. gihad ‹Djihad› in kleiner Form bedeutet grundsätzlich in bezug auf die Lehre Muhammeds, Bemühen, Fleiss, Eifer, Kampf und Streben, jedoch einzig und allein bezogen auf die persönliche Bewusstseins- und Verhaltensentwicklung des Menschen.
Such an interpretation of Mohammed's teaching in this regard is a hundred percent false, because Mohammed's truthful teaching understands something else from the term "Djihad" respectively "Dschihad" respectively jihad "Djihad" in the smaller form in regard to the teaching of Mohammed, meaning fundamentally, effort, diligence, eagerness, struggle and striving, however singly and alone in regard to the personal development of the consciousness and behavior of the human.
Darin einbezogen ist die Bemühung, der Fleiss, das Streben und der Kampf in bezug auf die Pflege der zwischenmenschlichen Beziehungen und der effectiven Menschlichkeit.
Drawn into that is the effort, the diligence, the striving and the struggle in regard to the maintenance of interhuman relations and effective humanity.
Weiter geht die Lehre Muhammeds in bezug ‹Djihad› in grosser Form auch dahin, dass sich der Mensch in friedlichem Kampf und also durch ehrliche Bemühungen sowie durch Fleiss, Eifer und Streben den Frieden unter allen Menschen und Völkern erarbeiten soll.
The teaching of Mohammed goes further in relation to "Djihad" in the greater form, in that the human should work for peace among all humans and peoples in the peaceful struggle and therefore through honest effort, as well as through diligence, enthusiasm, and striving.
Also steht ‹Djihad› in keinerlei Verbindung zu Krieg und Terror, wie das durch die radikalen, fundamentalistischen und fanatischen Islamisten sowie verrückte Führer behauptet wird.
Therefore the "Djihad" stands in no way bound to war and terror, as would be asserted through the radicals, fundamentalists and fanatical Islamists, as well as by crazy leaders.
‹Djihad› bedeutet in jedem Fall, in kleiner wie in grosser Form, dass sich der Mensch mit allen Belangen des Lebens, der Lehre des Geistes, des Friedens, der Freiheit und der Harmonie kontrolliert bewusstseinsmässig auseinandersetzt, um sich dadurch kontrollierte Gedanken und Gefühle zu erschaffen, aus denen kontrollierte positive und neutral-positive Handlungen entstehen sollen.
"Djihad" means, in any case, in the smaller as in greater form, that the human confronts, with all circumstances of life, in a controlled conscious way, the teaching of the spirit, peace, freedom and harmony, in order to, himself, produce controlled thoughts and feelings, out of which controlled, positive and neutral-positive behavior should come about.
‹Djihad› in jeder Form bedeutet also, dass der Mensch sich bewusstseinsmässig kämpfend seinen Irrungen und Wirrungen sowie Verwirrungen und Aggressionen usw. lernend durch Bemühung, Eifer und Fleiss erwehren und alle Nichtigkeiten und Negationen sowie das Böse und rein Negative beheben soll. Muhammed hat tatsächlich in jeder Beziehung die ‹Lehre des Geistes› gelehrt - niemals jedoch Krieg, Hass, Lieblosigkeit oder Terror usw.
Therefore "Djihad" in any form means that the human consciously fights his errors and confusion as well as bewilderment and aggression and so forth and learns through effort, enthusiasm and diligence to guard against (them), and all inanity and negation as well as evil and the purely negative should be removed. Mohammed had, as a matter of fact, in any respect, taught the "teaching of the spirit", but never war, hate, lovelessness or terror and so forth.
Carb. Mike
"BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FORBID YOU ACCESS TO WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND TELL YOU TO NOT GO FORTH TO HEAR WHAT PERHAPS IS TRUTH, FOR THEY SPEAK TO YOU ONLY TO ATTAIN POWER OVER YOU AND SEIZE YOUR GOODS AND BELONGINGS. ALWAYS SEARCH BENEATH THE COVERINGS TO INSPECT THAT WHICH THEY DO NOT TELL YOU AND FURTHER, CHECK CAREFULLY THOSE THINGS THAT THEY EXTRACT FROM YOU. TRUTH AND WISDOM IN TRUTH ARE GIVEN WITH NO PRICE OR TREASURE NOR POWER OF FORCE." -- Jmmanuel
Now who is really in control "GOD" ? ? ? Or the person who wrote down their interpretation of how to control society ? ? ?
Earths Humanity needs to open it's eyes, and see these things for themselves. I've only been looking for two years, and I've found my truth about many things.
For example: Islam is not what Mohammed taught, And Christianity is not what Jmmanuel taught either. Those in the hierarchy of corrupt Religions, Corrupted the teaching in order to obtain Absolute Power.
I know this is hard for most to swallow, So I leave it with this bit of information.
Mohammed's Teachings were also Falsified
FIGU Special Bulletin number 22. http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s2 ... fragen.htm
The following is a very brief rough idea of the main themes in Special Bulletin number 22 - September 2005
Some main messages in this bulletin are that Mohammed never taught suicide, murder, or the spreading of Islam through violence or persuasion. Those things, as are currently being expressed through the actions of Islamic terrorists, are contrary to the true teachings. In addition Billy explains that Mohammed's teachings were falsified, as happened with the teachings of other prophets.
The one responsible for the main falsification has been named. He was a distant relative of Mohammed, skilled in writing, named Omar. This is according to the annals of the Plejaren, and he has never before been named in this respect.
The war theme expressed in Islam from the start is explained by the fact that Mohammed and his followers were forced to defend themselves from attackers from the start, and so Mohammed taught his followers to act in defense, according to Creational Laws, which require this of any human.
The Islamic terrorism which exists today has become the out of control monster it is now because of the activities of the US, Israel and other supporting countries, like Britain who lead their own kind of state terrorism using secret services and so forth.
[The following is an excerpt from the Bulletin. It's all we have time for this time. It is an unofficial and unapproved translation by us, Vivienne Legg and Dyson Devine, and may contain errors.]
Tatsächlich hat der Islam als Religion nichts zu tun mit dem terroristischen Djihadismus, wie auch nicht mit etwas in bezug auf ‹Heiliger Krieg› hinsichtlich einer Auseinandersetzung mit Ungläubigen durch Gewalt oder intellektuelle Überzeugungsarbeit mit dem Ziel, sie zum Islam zu bekehren.
Actually Islam as a religion has nothing to do with the terroristic Jihadism, as it also does not with something in regard to "Holy War" regarding a confrontation with unbelievers through force or intellectual persuasion work with the goal to turn them to Islam.
In der Welt des Islam wird unterschieden in ‹dar ul-Islam›, also in den eigentlichen ‹Bereich des Islam›, und in ‹dar al-harb›, den ‹Bereich des Kampfes›. Dahinter steckt jedoch nicht Muhammeds Gedanke, dass ein Krieg geführt und dieser so weit geführt werden soll, bis der Islam zur universellen Religion geworden ist.
In the world of Islam there are differences in "dar ul-Islam", therefore in the essential "realm of Islam", and in "dar al -harb", the "realm of the struggle". However, it is not behind Mohammed's thought, that a war be led and it be waged until Islam has become a universal religion.
Eine solche Interpretation von Muhammeds Lehre in dieser Beziehung ist hundertprozentig falsch, denn Muhammeds wahrheitliche Lehre verstand etwas anderes unter dem Begriff ‹Djihad› resp. ‹Dschihad› resp. gihad ‹Djihad› in kleiner Form bedeutet grundsätzlich in bezug auf die Lehre Muhammeds, Bemühen, Fleiss, Eifer, Kampf und Streben, jedoch einzig und allein bezogen auf die persönliche Bewusstseins- und Verhaltensentwicklung des Menschen.
Such an interpretation of Mohammed's teaching in this regard is a hundred percent false, because Mohammed's truthful teaching understands something else from the term "Djihad" respectively "Dschihad" respectively jihad "Djihad" in the smaller form in regard to the teaching of Mohammed, meaning fundamentally, effort, diligence, eagerness, struggle and striving, however singly and alone in regard to the personal development of the consciousness and behavior of the human.
Darin einbezogen ist die Bemühung, der Fleiss, das Streben und der Kampf in bezug auf die Pflege der zwischenmenschlichen Beziehungen und der effectiven Menschlichkeit.
Drawn into that is the effort, the diligence, the striving and the struggle in regard to the maintenance of interhuman relations and effective humanity.
Weiter geht die Lehre Muhammeds in bezug ‹Djihad› in grosser Form auch dahin, dass sich der Mensch in friedlichem Kampf und also durch ehrliche Bemühungen sowie durch Fleiss, Eifer und Streben den Frieden unter allen Menschen und Völkern erarbeiten soll.
The teaching of Mohammed goes further in relation to "Djihad" in the greater form, in that the human should work for peace among all humans and peoples in the peaceful struggle and therefore through honest effort, as well as through diligence, enthusiasm, and striving.
Also steht ‹Djihad› in keinerlei Verbindung zu Krieg und Terror, wie das durch die radikalen, fundamentalistischen und fanatischen Islamisten sowie verrückte Führer behauptet wird.
Therefore the "Djihad" stands in no way bound to war and terror, as would be asserted through the radicals, fundamentalists and fanatical Islamists, as well as by crazy leaders.
‹Djihad› bedeutet in jedem Fall, in kleiner wie in grosser Form, dass sich der Mensch mit allen Belangen des Lebens, der Lehre des Geistes, des Friedens, der Freiheit und der Harmonie kontrolliert bewusstseinsmässig auseinandersetzt, um sich dadurch kontrollierte Gedanken und Gefühle zu erschaffen, aus denen kontrollierte positive und neutral-positive Handlungen entstehen sollen.
"Djihad" means, in any case, in the smaller as in greater form, that the human confronts, with all circumstances of life, in a controlled conscious way, the teaching of the spirit, peace, freedom and harmony, in order to, himself, produce controlled thoughts and feelings, out of which controlled, positive and neutral-positive behavior should come about.
‹Djihad› in jeder Form bedeutet also, dass der Mensch sich bewusstseinsmässig kämpfend seinen Irrungen und Wirrungen sowie Verwirrungen und Aggressionen usw. lernend durch Bemühung, Eifer und Fleiss erwehren und alle Nichtigkeiten und Negationen sowie das Böse und rein Negative beheben soll. Muhammed hat tatsächlich in jeder Beziehung die ‹Lehre des Geistes› gelehrt - niemals jedoch Krieg, Hass, Lieblosigkeit oder Terror usw.
Therefore "Djihad" in any form means that the human consciously fights his errors and confusion as well as bewilderment and aggression and so forth and learns through effort, enthusiasm and diligence to guard against (them), and all inanity and negation as well as evil and the purely negative should be removed. Mohammed had, as a matter of fact, in any respect, taught the "teaching of the spirit", but never war, hate, lovelessness or terror and so forth.
Carb. Mike
"BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FORBID YOU ACCESS TO WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND TELL YOU TO NOT GO FORTH TO HEAR WHAT PERHAPS IS TRUTH, FOR THEY SPEAK TO YOU ONLY TO ATTAIN POWER OVER YOU AND SEIZE YOUR GOODS AND BELONGINGS. ALWAYS SEARCH BENEATH THE COVERINGS TO INSPECT THAT WHICH THEY DO NOT TELL YOU AND FURTHER, CHECK CAREFULLY THOSE THINGS THAT THEY EXTRACT FROM YOU. TRUTH AND WISDOM IN TRUTH ARE GIVEN WITH NO PRICE OR TREASURE NOR POWER OF FORCE." -- Jmmanuel
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hello to the 5 or 6 of you who are interested enough to look at what I've found. I am not going to say that this the truth. The truth is for you to determine on your own. But just perhaps, This could be the real history of how mankind came to be on Earth. Could this be the Almighty Spiritual Power that drives LIFE through-out the Universe? Could this be the information that all Religions are hidding from the World? Who knows, But if this is made up story, Someone should writting for Hollywood.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=% ... itesearch=
"Carby Mike the Truthseeker"
"We are here on Earth to lead our lives, because our conciseness must be developed. So that it gathers knowledge, gathers wisdom, builds up love, peace, freedom and harmony. The Human exists in the material life on Earth, in order to learn. Just as other Human-kinds do on other Worlds in the Entire Universe." "Billy Meier"
"It is incomprehensible that the human speaks of a heaven and of a kingdom of heaven within himself, rather than to merely say: Creation, truth, knowledge, wisdom, spirit, consciousness and existence."
"We are neither members of a secret society nor babbling missionaries, but human beings who, in the first place, are striving to open our eyes ourselves."
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=% ... itesearch=
"Carby Mike the Truthseeker"
"We are here on Earth to lead our lives, because our conciseness must be developed. So that it gathers knowledge, gathers wisdom, builds up love, peace, freedom and harmony. The Human exists in the material life on Earth, in order to learn. Just as other Human-kinds do on other Worlds in the Entire Universe." "Billy Meier"
"It is incomprehensible that the human speaks of a heaven and of a kingdom of heaven within himself, rather than to merely say: Creation, truth, knowledge, wisdom, spirit, consciousness and existence."
"We are neither members of a secret society nor babbling missionaries, but human beings who, in the first place, are striving to open our eyes ourselves."
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi Guys and Gals, I've just put these links together. And I to will be watching them with you. So don't let the view counter fool you. And remember this information is to be considered as speculative. This is Jim Nichols interpretation of what it means to him. But it is something to think about. The videos are all about 4min long. So just keep track of where you are. And please enjoy learning something whether it's true or not. You can figure that out for yourself later. But first you need to explore the possibilities.
Jim Nichols UFO Hypotheses Pleiadeans Creation
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdf0OY4T_w
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apphxTi5fG4
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_8bVHUSC4
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubfFP72luvA
Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx1t-wFa_NQ
Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUpplPwvGX8
Part 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oduGa1PIYvE
Part 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN7WtL-g_nY
Part 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCGSe9y16BQ
Part 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZJ6Ln3QEl4
Part 11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0lQbGu_HIU
Part 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp9n1JPAXHs
Part 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7oLYR1SdyE
Part 14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HKxseEp5nc
Part 15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9VvUaQSEes
Part 16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrQjOnR4gGM
Part 17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AZCVv3ZbTQ
Part 18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYYpjmbtTSY
Part 19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JmJhDwRZ5M
Part 20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_R6ND7PAu0
Part 21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwKjDCwS-CA
Part 22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSVZgfaPI6w
Part 23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHHpXUDr3dA
Part 24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF_7-lBhfow
I liked this quote or thought " That which you want you are "
Carby Mike
Jim Nichols UFO Hypotheses Pleiadeans Creation
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdf0OY4T_w
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apphxTi5fG4
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_8bVHUSC4
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubfFP72luvA
Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx1t-wFa_NQ
Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUpplPwvGX8
Part 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oduGa1PIYvE
Part 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN7WtL-g_nY
Part 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCGSe9y16BQ
Part 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZJ6Ln3QEl4
Part 11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0lQbGu_HIU
Part 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp9n1JPAXHs
Part 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7oLYR1SdyE
Part 14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HKxseEp5nc
Part 15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9VvUaQSEes
Part 16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrQjOnR4gGM
Part 17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AZCVv3ZbTQ
Part 18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYYpjmbtTSY
Part 19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JmJhDwRZ5M
Part 20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_R6ND7PAu0
Part 21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwKjDCwS-CA
Part 22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSVZgfaPI6w
Part 23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHHpXUDr3dA
Part 24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF_7-lBhfow
I liked this quote or thought " That which you want you are "
Carby Mike
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
So what is it going to take for people to open their eyes to this case. Some of this information coming true?
From what I've seen already, the track record speaks for itself. So if you live in these areas take heed. Make plans well in advance. Because your life may depend on it.
https://www.yousendit.com/download/bVlB ... bUtGa1E9PQ
Carb. Mike
"BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FORBID YOU ACCESS TO WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND TELL YOU TO NOT GO FORTH TO HEAR WHAT PERHAPS IS TRUTH, FOR THEY SPEAK TO YOU ONLY TO ATTAIN POWER OVER YOU AND SEIZE YOUR GOODS AND BELONGINGS. ALWAYS SEARCH BENEATH THE COVERINGS TO INSPECT THAT WHICH THEY DO NOT TELL YOU AND FURTHER, CHECK CAREFULLY THOSE THINGS THAT THEY EXTRACT FROM YOU. TRUTH AND WISDOM IN TRUTH ARE GIVEN WITH NO PRICE OR TREASURE NOR POWER OF FORCE." -- Jmmanuel
From what I've seen already, the track record speaks for itself. So if you live in these areas take heed. Make plans well in advance. Because your life may depend on it.
https://www.yousendit.com/download/bVlB ... bUtGa1E9PQ
Carb. Mike
"BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FORBID YOU ACCESS TO WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND TELL YOU TO NOT GO FORTH TO HEAR WHAT PERHAPS IS TRUTH, FOR THEY SPEAK TO YOU ONLY TO ATTAIN POWER OVER YOU AND SEIZE YOUR GOODS AND BELONGINGS. ALWAYS SEARCH BENEATH THE COVERINGS TO INSPECT THAT WHICH THEY DO NOT TELL YOU AND FURTHER, CHECK CAREFULLY THOSE THINGS THAT THEY EXTRACT FROM YOU. TRUTH AND WISDOM IN TRUTH ARE GIVEN WITH NO PRICE OR TREASURE NOR POWER OF FORCE." -- Jmmanuel
Re: The Billy Meier Case
Carb Mike has a brain that thinks and no longer accepts the drivel we are constantly fed. Read and evaluate without dismissing before doing so!....JoeCarbmike is a Nutcase!
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi Joe, Thanks for defending me, But there really is no need. Rob was just busting them for me in jest.
I know there are a few of you, Who look at what I've been posting. Please feel free to PM me with your thoughts or Phone #. Sometimes it good to pour thoughts into a conversation, because then two or more can gain a better understanding from it. I'm one who will keep in under my hat as to who you are. In today's World it is best not to say anything. But somebody has to take it on.
So here is more on the above Topic. Carburetor Mike
Hi List Members,
There's a bunch of new - and important - information to share with you, such as:
Coming Earthquake & Tsunami!
I was just on C2C (http://www.coasttocoastam.com) on September 5 and presented information I recently received from Switzerland (from a contact Meier had in 2005) regarding a coming earthquake and two tsunamis that will originate in the Northwest, off the coast of Oregon.
I've since learned that it will actually extend down to the south of California. The information is that the first earthquake will be a 9.0 and will last five minutes. This will be followed by the first and largest of the tsunamis, then lesser quakes and the next tsunami. Obviously, enormous damage to life and property is foretold. There is no specific date given for this event but the consensus seems to be that it's not all that far in the future.
When I received the information from Meier I did an internet search and found this very recent article, which lends even more credence to Meier's information:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 124413.htm
I also received the following from someone (not connected with Meier) who wishes to remain anonymous:
"I'm aware of the article and the scientists trying to figure out what is going on there off the coast of Oregon. I am way ahead of them on what is going on. They are coming to the wrong conclusions. I know what is causing the activity out there. I also know why they are puzzled.
"As for visions or otherwise, I can only go by my instruments that give me a few weeks to days warning. The bigger picture trend is that the volcanic root system is coming to life in the PNW. This is the sympathetic induction mechanism to the events off the coast (scalar latitudinal resonance). The scientists need to look inland to see what is going on silently. There is magma flowing quietly in areas that is not being detected."
Many people have asked for Meier to give specific predictions for these times. While many already exist (and can be read in the various prophecies published at http://www.theyfly.com) this one is both very specific and very ominous. Each person must decide what meaning it has for them. Should I receive any more information pertaining to it I will also publish it.
Drilling for Oil
In light of the ignorant clamoring for more offshore oil drilling, and the warning above of the earthquakes and tsunamis, as well as the longstanding warnings in the Meier material of the causal relationship between them and oil drilling (and the overbuilding of cities and damning of waters) I think that sensible people will push in every way possible to prevent just such irresponsible pursuits that only add the likelihood of such disasters.
Censorship Attempt by Skeptics
Just recently, Derek Bartholomaus and the skeptics at CFI-West/IIG pressured PRWeb to remove my latest press release, which primarily dealt with Meier's having beaten NASA by 32 years in publishing information about Mars. The press release also included information about the failure of these same skeptics to substantiate any of their claims that Meier hoaxed his UFO evidence.
While PRWeb gave in to their pressure, even though there was absolutely nothing untrue or defamatory in the press release, I still have the original up on my site at:
http://theyfly.com/newsflash94/UFO_Skep ... _Towel.htm
I also will eventually publish more information on just how embarrassingly bad the research by the skeptics has been. For those who've already seen the Special Features segment of The Silent Revolution of Truth where Bartholomaus comments on Marcel Vogel's metal sample analysis, you may recall that I criticized an inaccuracy of his. It turns out that the reason he made his mistake was because he copied the information from an abbreviated article of mine that had a typo in it - rather than actually having read the source material that I referred him to numerous times.
While such minutia may be of no interest to many people, in my opinion it's indicative of the overall incompetence, ineptitude and arrogance that is the hallmark of the pseudo-scientific skeptics. And such shoddy, despicable efforts have contributed greatly to the suppression and dismissive attitude that has kept the Meier case from getting the kind of serious, worldwide, mainstream attention it deserves.
Even an astronomer (and avowed skeptic) like Phil Plait, who wants to present himself as a cutting edge scientist actually interested in seeing proof of UFOs and extraterrestrials, ran the other way when I began to present the Meier material to him. I have had to point out to all of these very self-impressed "experts" that scientist and skeptic are not synonyms.
I should add that there is new, very interesting astronomical information that I just received from Meier that I will be publishing on my website in the very near future.
British Skeptic Tries to Duplicate
I am glad to say that there is a British skeptic, Tony Wharton, who at least tried to back up his claims by making a series of videos repesenting his best efforts to duplicate Meier's UFO films. You can see his videos as linked from my article at http://theyfly.com/newsflash95/British_ ... _Final.pdf, which also includes James Deardorff's and my my own critique of Wharton's efforts, as well as his acknowledgement of the points we raise.
Meier Warned of Russia-Georgia Scenario
In this article http://theyfly.com/newsflash94/Meier_Wa ... eorgia.pdf you can read about the information Meier received (actually in 1989) that was first published in German in a book in 1991. I refer to it as the Russia-Georgia scenario because the warning seems to indicate that there will be a number of such events, also seemingly involving Russia as well.
New Spiritual Teaching Section
I'm very glad to say that we've expanded the Spiritual Teaching section and put links in the middle of the lower part of the homepage to several new translated articles on different aspects of the spiritual teaching in the Meier case. We hope to add many more translations in the future as they become available.
New CD of the "Beamship Symphony"!
People have been asking for a fuller recoding (26 minutes!) of the sounds of the UFO for a long, long time and now we finally have it at http://theyfly.com/products/products.htm#beamsymph. You can read all about it there but be sure to heed the suggestion, "It is NOT recommended to play this, late at night, from high-powered stereo speakers in automobiles, while driving slowly, with the windows down, through peaceful neighborhoods. Remember, please don't do this, no matter how tempted you may be. After all, we don't want to be in any way responsible for waking up the sleepy masses with sounds of UFOs from outer space.
Additional Savings!
At some point we'll get around to putting the following notices in all of the places where it applies but until then, pertaining to the four "Message from the Pleiades" volumes from Wendelle Stevens, "We also now have Message from the Pleiades Volumes 1 - 4 all on one disk for only $90, instead of $100 for all four volumes sold separately. Don't worry, we now contact anyone who orders the four volumes and offer them the discount and a refund of $10.
we also offer the Preliminary and Supplementary Investigation Reports on one disk for $45 instead of $50 for two disks. And, as above, we will offer the discount and a refund of $5.
With economic realities being what they are, we're trying to actually lower prices wherever possible on this valuable, hard to find information.
Coming Video Newsletters
In the next couple of months we hope to put some video newsletters up on youtube, etc. so that people who don't have the time to read all of the information can at least get the "news" in an easy to access form. More about that will follow once we're ready to go.
2012 Hysteria
There's a lot of conjecture floating around about December 21, 2012. This is addressed seemingly quie logically by a member of the FIGU Forum at http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?14/8853 wherein he says, "So the problem is not that the Mayan calendar is inaccurate but that it has been misinterpreted. It has been misinterpreted in several New Age books by people who don't understand the cyclic nature of the Mayan, Long Count calendar, which is reset to day 0 every 1,872,000 days, a period known as The Great Circle. The next reset date, by some calculations, is December 21, 2012. And, of course the Mayan civilization died out before they had the chance to extend it.
"If our civilization was wiped out tomorrow by some unforeseen catastrophe, and centuries from now an alien race were to find a typical wall calendar left behind, then they might think that we believed the world was going to end on December 31, 2008 if the same illogical thinking was used by them."
I think that this has the ring of truth to it and it certainly should be offered to all of those people who are running around promoting yet another New Age myth.
Another Excellent Meier Link
There's another excellent website where you can find a great deal of Meier information, translations etc. Check out:
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Main_Page
Film Screenings in Los Angeles, Arizona and Canada
There will be five new screenings of The Silent Revolution of Truth, two each in Arizona and Los Angeles (see: http://www.theyfly.com) and one in Canada:
Black Cat Cinema
Monday Dec. 1, 7:30 pm
Roberts Creek Community Hall
Roberts Creek, BC, Canada
Admission $5
Info: 604-886-2780 or blackcat@resist.ca
http://www.scfs.ca/blackcat.html
Thanks for your interest,
Best,
MH
http://www.theyfly.com
I know there are a few of you, Who look at what I've been posting. Please feel free to PM me with your thoughts or Phone #. Sometimes it good to pour thoughts into a conversation, because then two or more can gain a better understanding from it. I'm one who will keep in under my hat as to who you are. In today's World it is best not to say anything. But somebody has to take it on.
So here is more on the above Topic. Carburetor Mike
Hi List Members,
There's a bunch of new - and important - information to share with you, such as:
Coming Earthquake & Tsunami!
I was just on C2C (http://www.coasttocoastam.com) on September 5 and presented information I recently received from Switzerland (from a contact Meier had in 2005) regarding a coming earthquake and two tsunamis that will originate in the Northwest, off the coast of Oregon.
I've since learned that it will actually extend down to the south of California. The information is that the first earthquake will be a 9.0 and will last five minutes. This will be followed by the first and largest of the tsunamis, then lesser quakes and the next tsunami. Obviously, enormous damage to life and property is foretold. There is no specific date given for this event but the consensus seems to be that it's not all that far in the future.
When I received the information from Meier I did an internet search and found this very recent article, which lends even more credence to Meier's information:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 124413.htm
I also received the following from someone (not connected with Meier) who wishes to remain anonymous:
"I'm aware of the article and the scientists trying to figure out what is going on there off the coast of Oregon. I am way ahead of them on what is going on. They are coming to the wrong conclusions. I know what is causing the activity out there. I also know why they are puzzled.
"As for visions or otherwise, I can only go by my instruments that give me a few weeks to days warning. The bigger picture trend is that the volcanic root system is coming to life in the PNW. This is the sympathetic induction mechanism to the events off the coast (scalar latitudinal resonance). The scientists need to look inland to see what is going on silently. There is magma flowing quietly in areas that is not being detected."
Many people have asked for Meier to give specific predictions for these times. While many already exist (and can be read in the various prophecies published at http://www.theyfly.com) this one is both very specific and very ominous. Each person must decide what meaning it has for them. Should I receive any more information pertaining to it I will also publish it.
Drilling for Oil
In light of the ignorant clamoring for more offshore oil drilling, and the warning above of the earthquakes and tsunamis, as well as the longstanding warnings in the Meier material of the causal relationship between them and oil drilling (and the overbuilding of cities and damning of waters) I think that sensible people will push in every way possible to prevent just such irresponsible pursuits that only add the likelihood of such disasters.
Censorship Attempt by Skeptics
Just recently, Derek Bartholomaus and the skeptics at CFI-West/IIG pressured PRWeb to remove my latest press release, which primarily dealt with Meier's having beaten NASA by 32 years in publishing information about Mars. The press release also included information about the failure of these same skeptics to substantiate any of their claims that Meier hoaxed his UFO evidence.
While PRWeb gave in to their pressure, even though there was absolutely nothing untrue or defamatory in the press release, I still have the original up on my site at:
http://theyfly.com/newsflash94/UFO_Skep ... _Towel.htm
I also will eventually publish more information on just how embarrassingly bad the research by the skeptics has been. For those who've already seen the Special Features segment of The Silent Revolution of Truth where Bartholomaus comments on Marcel Vogel's metal sample analysis, you may recall that I criticized an inaccuracy of his. It turns out that the reason he made his mistake was because he copied the information from an abbreviated article of mine that had a typo in it - rather than actually having read the source material that I referred him to numerous times.
While such minutia may be of no interest to many people, in my opinion it's indicative of the overall incompetence, ineptitude and arrogance that is the hallmark of the pseudo-scientific skeptics. And such shoddy, despicable efforts have contributed greatly to the suppression and dismissive attitude that has kept the Meier case from getting the kind of serious, worldwide, mainstream attention it deserves.
Even an astronomer (and avowed skeptic) like Phil Plait, who wants to present himself as a cutting edge scientist actually interested in seeing proof of UFOs and extraterrestrials, ran the other way when I began to present the Meier material to him. I have had to point out to all of these very self-impressed "experts" that scientist and skeptic are not synonyms.
I should add that there is new, very interesting astronomical information that I just received from Meier that I will be publishing on my website in the very near future.
British Skeptic Tries to Duplicate
I am glad to say that there is a British skeptic, Tony Wharton, who at least tried to back up his claims by making a series of videos repesenting his best efforts to duplicate Meier's UFO films. You can see his videos as linked from my article at http://theyfly.com/newsflash95/British_ ... _Final.pdf, which also includes James Deardorff's and my my own critique of Wharton's efforts, as well as his acknowledgement of the points we raise.
Meier Warned of Russia-Georgia Scenario
In this article http://theyfly.com/newsflash94/Meier_Wa ... eorgia.pdf you can read about the information Meier received (actually in 1989) that was first published in German in a book in 1991. I refer to it as the Russia-Georgia scenario because the warning seems to indicate that there will be a number of such events, also seemingly involving Russia as well.
New Spiritual Teaching Section
I'm very glad to say that we've expanded the Spiritual Teaching section and put links in the middle of the lower part of the homepage to several new translated articles on different aspects of the spiritual teaching in the Meier case. We hope to add many more translations in the future as they become available.
New CD of the "Beamship Symphony"!
People have been asking for a fuller recoding (26 minutes!) of the sounds of the UFO for a long, long time and now we finally have it at http://theyfly.com/products/products.htm#beamsymph. You can read all about it there but be sure to heed the suggestion, "It is NOT recommended to play this, late at night, from high-powered stereo speakers in automobiles, while driving slowly, with the windows down, through peaceful neighborhoods. Remember, please don't do this, no matter how tempted you may be. After all, we don't want to be in any way responsible for waking up the sleepy masses with sounds of UFOs from outer space.
Additional Savings!
At some point we'll get around to putting the following notices in all of the places where it applies but until then, pertaining to the four "Message from the Pleiades" volumes from Wendelle Stevens, "We also now have Message from the Pleiades Volumes 1 - 4 all on one disk for only $90, instead of $100 for all four volumes sold separately. Don't worry, we now contact anyone who orders the four volumes and offer them the discount and a refund of $10.
we also offer the Preliminary and Supplementary Investigation Reports on one disk for $45 instead of $50 for two disks. And, as above, we will offer the discount and a refund of $5.
With economic realities being what they are, we're trying to actually lower prices wherever possible on this valuable, hard to find information.
Coming Video Newsletters
In the next couple of months we hope to put some video newsletters up on youtube, etc. so that people who don't have the time to read all of the information can at least get the "news" in an easy to access form. More about that will follow once we're ready to go.
2012 Hysteria
There's a lot of conjecture floating around about December 21, 2012. This is addressed seemingly quie logically by a member of the FIGU Forum at http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?14/8853 wherein he says, "So the problem is not that the Mayan calendar is inaccurate but that it has been misinterpreted. It has been misinterpreted in several New Age books by people who don't understand the cyclic nature of the Mayan, Long Count calendar, which is reset to day 0 every 1,872,000 days, a period known as The Great Circle. The next reset date, by some calculations, is December 21, 2012. And, of course the Mayan civilization died out before they had the chance to extend it.
"If our civilization was wiped out tomorrow by some unforeseen catastrophe, and centuries from now an alien race were to find a typical wall calendar left behind, then they might think that we believed the world was going to end on December 31, 2008 if the same illogical thinking was used by them."
I think that this has the ring of truth to it and it certainly should be offered to all of those people who are running around promoting yet another New Age myth.
Another Excellent Meier Link
There's another excellent website where you can find a great deal of Meier information, translations etc. Check out:
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Main_Page
Film Screenings in Los Angeles, Arizona and Canada
There will be five new screenings of The Silent Revolution of Truth, two each in Arizona and Los Angeles (see: http://www.theyfly.com) and one in Canada:
Black Cat Cinema
Monday Dec. 1, 7:30 pm
Roberts Creek Community Hall
Roberts Creek, BC, Canada
Admission $5
Info: 604-886-2780 or blackcat@resist.ca
http://www.scfs.ca/blackcat.html
Thanks for your interest,
Best,
MH
http://www.theyfly.com
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi Friends, Here are a couple more articles on this Topic. Could these be what Billy Meier is talking about? Or is this the precursor to a BIGGER EVENT ? I'm not posting this to scare everyone. It is really more like a "Watch your step."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 184801.htm
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonia ... xml&coll=7
Respectfully Yours, Michael A. Levesque
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 184801.htm
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonia ... xml&coll=7
Respectfully Yours, Michael A. Levesque
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi All, Some kidding-ly call me chicken little because I present these warnings, That I have found. And some may even laugh at all this.-----------------((( Until something this devastating happens.))) My thoughts would be to at least heed the warning, and never discount any of it. Because they do fall in the realm of possibility's. And sure anyone can say there will be an Earthquake in California. But after reading what this man has written in the past, and seeing that he has been right pretty much every time. If I lived in these areas. I would have at least a plan to get out. Just is case.
So read it if you'd like.
http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash95/Upda ... i_Ver2.pdf
Carb. Mike
So read it if you'd like.
http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash95/Upda ... i_Ver2.pdf
Carb. Mike
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi Guys & Gals, It is stuff like this that just makes this Billy Meier Case more credible every day. I wonder if he will be remembered as the new Age Prophet when he is gone? What if ! ! He is ! ! But only a very few saw him for who he is/was on his passing. And the Biblical connection to the Prophets of the past and maybe their connections to UFOs as well. Could Ezekiel's Wheel inside a Wheel just be a description of a UFO. Did Abraham really talk with God or were they just ET visitors? Could the Jesus Birth STAR have been an ET's Space craft? Could that ET have merely been Jmmanuels Biological Father? Then who is God? Is he the Angel Gabriele? Or merely just a flesh and blood man like you and me? Have we been lied to? And by whom? As the saying goes, If you seek the truth, The Truth will be revealed to you.
http://www.theyfly.com/Skeptics_Caught.htm
http://www.theyfly.com/Skeptics_Caught.htm
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi All, I didn't write this. But I did add a sentence or two.
This guy has only been reading the Meier Material for a few
months. After reading this myself. I couldn't think of a better place
for these thoughts to be pondered. As I feel the same way about
the Billy Meier Materials. It's like the greatest scavenger hunt,
but you do it without the list. And determine for yourself what holds
the validity of truth for that moment. As it could be different in the next.
Carb. Mike
" To all who seek after truth,
What exactly is religion and how is following Meier's teaching
different?
We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find
elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of Billy Meier and the Plejaren
have merit, and seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we
deem logical to our way of thinking. And they also point out the
folly of where we were previously.
But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must
always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not
becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth
from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open
mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and
traditional deceits.
The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming
lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of
blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to
external thought other than ones own, even to criticism of things
one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or
misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake.
To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which
means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For
should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterwards, his
certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again.
For example, and this is not an accusation, but an observation for
the sake of example; What if the Plejaren are deceiving us again?
If they are, and we are not open minded about that possible truth,
than we have learned nothing from our past mistakes. Which is why the
Plejaren teaching is so adamant about being open minded, and
continuously striving for truth. We must always be receptive, and
then discerning.
So with this in mind, what exactly is religion?
We have defined it as delusion and untruth rooted in fanaticism. And
BEAM tells us that man's tendency toward this fanaticism is what the
Plejaren used to their advantage in the past. This may or may not be
true, but it certainly seems likely given what we know from personal
experience and history. But we also know that there is a more
spiritual aspect to religion that goes deeper into the psyche than
delusion or deceit.
In most cases a person is born into the religion of their
parents.This then becomes their social being and awareness. Few even
bother to question their traditional beliefs because it is so
intertwined with their everyday existence, and in many cases a
conflict could create chaos in their life.
Many intelligent people are settled in religious persuasion, and even
when they doubt, they continue to remain tolerant for the sake of
comfortably. Others become unsettled with their questions, and
become motivated by their urges to seek other answers, being
unsatisfied with what they hear. But even they usually just go from
one religious persuasion to another.
In reality, even the traditional inheritors had to have ancestors
that initially adopted that families' traditional beliefs from
scratch. Religion always becomes rooted in man's desire to seek the
truth about who and what we are, and where we come from. When that
curiosity is subdued by comfort, and the mind becomes lazy, people
will settle into their beliefs. Religion is nothing more than
laziness of mind, where man settles on what he chooses to believe,
and closes his mind to any criticism or difference of thought.
And I think maybe Atheism should be included in this definition.
Religious scholars around the globe study through volumes of
information to confirm what they believe to be truth. And believe
that the knowledge they have acquired has become an intelligence that
cannot be denied. And yet, their so- called intelligence has only
closed their mind. Volumes of untruth cannot even begin to compare
with the wisdom in even one phrase of truth. Therefore the scientist
should never become frustrated with the student who cannot keep up
with him intellectually, because as soon as he does, he has stopped
learning himself. The wise scientist should always be a student
himself, otherwise he only becomes religious, in that, religion is
actually the end of learning. For one has not learned anything, no
matter how many volumes of information he has stored, if that
information is not the truth. Knowledge only comes from truth, and
truth only comes from being open to it when it is presented to you.
Seeking the truth means always being ready to dismiss it when you
discover it is a mistake. Without the openness to correct mistakes
that you adopted as truth, you are also void of the openness to
acquire further truth when it does come before you. That openness of
mind must work both ways in order to be effective, otherwise we
become religious about what we have adopted.
So whether religion is inherited, or we are lured into its promises,
the key to all wisdom will never be in the messages, the true key
will be in the determined openness to reject what we have adopted for
new ideas that could be corrections to our mistakes. I would rather
live life correcting mistakes than to settle on one untruth and
remain there. This is the real difference between what BEAM teaches
and religion. And many here need to have these thoughts or concepts
presented to them. In order to begin the expansion of their knowledge.
We are all reaching out. We are all creatures of curiosity with an
immeasurable playground in which to discover secrets. To believe
that you know anything, means that you have already learned nothing.
If all of Meier's teaching are untruths, than ten years of
accumulating them will not compare with the wisdom of one small post
containing a few sentences of truth. If the Plejaren are deceiving us
once again, than it won't matter if the entire world turns their way,
it will still be untruth and deceit.
Whether one is a spirit that will someday be resurrected into a
heavenly kingdom with their creator at the end of this life, or a
spirit that must evolve through many lives to ascend to such a pure
spiritual existence out there somewhere, it becomes religion only
when that spirit closes its mind to truth and becomes unable to
correct further mistakes.
Life is an experiment where we gather information by testing over and
over, not to prove the truth, but to find that one time where the
test fails, and truth reveals itself by exposing the deceit of what
we thought might be truth.
What we believe here, or anywhere, we must be always ready to abandon
with open minds, or the experiment ends without ever finding the
truth. The experiment must never end because it may be the one
billionth time that the test will fail and disclose the real truth.
Whether we want to call that first cause of existence God or
Creation; whether we believe in reincarnation or atheism; the truth
becomes unattainable as soon as we believe we have found it. Remember
the old adage, " Why do you always find something in the last place
you look?"
What I have learned here is that we must be always on the lookout for
truth, never clutching so tightly to what we find that we cannot put
it down. By accumulating knowledge in this way we become wiser and
more logical, and as we learn truth, we evolve with it. I have also
learned that all of the truth of creation is not going to be found on
this tiny little pinpoint of the universe alone.
The Plejaren believe that evolving is gathering knowledge, and
waiting for change to happen individually. My spirit is not that
patient. I believe that searching for truth does not mean waiting for
truth to come to you, but for you to seek after it, and tracking it
down like prey. I believe that an open mind is a bottomless
collector, and to collect one must move about. One does not fill the
berry jar by picking off of one bush. Maybe, in the course of
stalking and hunting for truth, there are others who can offer truth
and teach technologies and abilities that can advance us, without
having to wait for evolution. Whether that is a good, or bad thing,
is not an issue when we are going to learn from any mistakes, and
continue to move forward anyway. Making mistakes is as much a part of
learning as correcting them. The scientist does not wait until he
becomes a scientist before he begins experimenting; instead he
becomes a scientist by experimenting. What other possibilities are
out there? Are there other extraterrestrials waiting to be met that
can offer immediate assistance, or teach us abilities that we can
then apply ourselves for the benefit of mankind? Why not keep an eye
out as we track down the elusive prey we call truth. A good hunter
always observes everything in the forest around him as signs and
clues to help him locate his prey. This is how we find the
opportunities. A hunter with his eyes closed will not find anything
but obstacles.
My search is as endless as my stalking grounds are limitless. I may
never corner the truth, but I will make sure that it can always find
me. The one thing that I am certain of is that the creation around us
is of intelligent design. There is no doubt about that truth. It is
as obvious as opening your eyes. And my spirit, being part of this
creation, is created with a factor of that same intelligence. Whether
the creating intelligence is called god, or creation, matters not to
me. What matters is that its effect on me is to seek after it.
Whether or not the creator will ever interact with me on a personal
basis remains a part of the mystery that I hunt for, and whether I
find the truth in this life, or another life, I always remain the
hunter. And using the creation as a guide and a comparison, I see
that life does not end with the demise of the physical, but is
constantly being renewed and replenished. The mystery of the
spiritual reality of creation goes far beyond the material that we
see, and to me that would include death. I am an immortal being who's
spirit will continue just as creation continues, and I will carry
this identity with me throughout my existence. The Great Spirit holds
the truth; the created spirits bring the truth to recognition. And
because we each bear that obligation to Creation, we each maintain
our individual perspectives and appreciations, so that each of us
maintains an individual identity that we carry forever and offer to
our creator.
My hunt continues as I move from this field to another. Good tidings
to all! I will be back to visit regularly with new thoughts I manage
to hunt down.
Sincerely,
Pathfinder,
Now known as
HUNTER "
This guy has only been reading the Meier Material for a few
months. After reading this myself. I couldn't think of a better place
for these thoughts to be pondered. As I feel the same way about
the Billy Meier Materials. It's like the greatest scavenger hunt,
but you do it without the list. And determine for yourself what holds
the validity of truth for that moment. As it could be different in the next.
Carb. Mike
" To all who seek after truth,
What exactly is religion and how is following Meier's teaching
different?
We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find
elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of Billy Meier and the Plejaren
have merit, and seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we
deem logical to our way of thinking. And they also point out the
folly of where we were previously.
But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must
always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not
becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth
from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open
mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and
traditional deceits.
The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming
lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of
blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to
external thought other than ones own, even to criticism of things
one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or
misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake.
To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which
means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For
should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterwards, his
certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again.
For example, and this is not an accusation, but an observation for
the sake of example; What if the Plejaren are deceiving us again?
If they are, and we are not open minded about that possible truth,
than we have learned nothing from our past mistakes. Which is why the
Plejaren teaching is so adamant about being open minded, and
continuously striving for truth. We must always be receptive, and
then discerning.
So with this in mind, what exactly is religion?
We have defined it as delusion and untruth rooted in fanaticism. And
BEAM tells us that man's tendency toward this fanaticism is what the
Plejaren used to their advantage in the past. This may or may not be
true, but it certainly seems likely given what we know from personal
experience and history. But we also know that there is a more
spiritual aspect to religion that goes deeper into the psyche than
delusion or deceit.
In most cases a person is born into the religion of their
parents.This then becomes their social being and awareness. Few even
bother to question their traditional beliefs because it is so
intertwined with their everyday existence, and in many cases a
conflict could create chaos in their life.
Many intelligent people are settled in religious persuasion, and even
when they doubt, they continue to remain tolerant for the sake of
comfortably. Others become unsettled with their questions, and
become motivated by their urges to seek other answers, being
unsatisfied with what they hear. But even they usually just go from
one religious persuasion to another.
In reality, even the traditional inheritors had to have ancestors
that initially adopted that families' traditional beliefs from
scratch. Religion always becomes rooted in man's desire to seek the
truth about who and what we are, and where we come from. When that
curiosity is subdued by comfort, and the mind becomes lazy, people
will settle into their beliefs. Religion is nothing more than
laziness of mind, where man settles on what he chooses to believe,
and closes his mind to any criticism or difference of thought.
And I think maybe Atheism should be included in this definition.
Religious scholars around the globe study through volumes of
information to confirm what they believe to be truth. And believe
that the knowledge they have acquired has become an intelligence that
cannot be denied. And yet, their so- called intelligence has only
closed their mind. Volumes of untruth cannot even begin to compare
with the wisdom in even one phrase of truth. Therefore the scientist
should never become frustrated with the student who cannot keep up
with him intellectually, because as soon as he does, he has stopped
learning himself. The wise scientist should always be a student
himself, otherwise he only becomes religious, in that, religion is
actually the end of learning. For one has not learned anything, no
matter how many volumes of information he has stored, if that
information is not the truth. Knowledge only comes from truth, and
truth only comes from being open to it when it is presented to you.
Seeking the truth means always being ready to dismiss it when you
discover it is a mistake. Without the openness to correct mistakes
that you adopted as truth, you are also void of the openness to
acquire further truth when it does come before you. That openness of
mind must work both ways in order to be effective, otherwise we
become religious about what we have adopted.
So whether religion is inherited, or we are lured into its promises,
the key to all wisdom will never be in the messages, the true key
will be in the determined openness to reject what we have adopted for
new ideas that could be corrections to our mistakes. I would rather
live life correcting mistakes than to settle on one untruth and
remain there. This is the real difference between what BEAM teaches
and religion. And many here need to have these thoughts or concepts
presented to them. In order to begin the expansion of their knowledge.
We are all reaching out. We are all creatures of curiosity with an
immeasurable playground in which to discover secrets. To believe
that you know anything, means that you have already learned nothing.
If all of Meier's teaching are untruths, than ten years of
accumulating them will not compare with the wisdom of one small post
containing a few sentences of truth. If the Plejaren are deceiving us
once again, than it won't matter if the entire world turns their way,
it will still be untruth and deceit.
Whether one is a spirit that will someday be resurrected into a
heavenly kingdom with their creator at the end of this life, or a
spirit that must evolve through many lives to ascend to such a pure
spiritual existence out there somewhere, it becomes religion only
when that spirit closes its mind to truth and becomes unable to
correct further mistakes.
Life is an experiment where we gather information by testing over and
over, not to prove the truth, but to find that one time where the
test fails, and truth reveals itself by exposing the deceit of what
we thought might be truth.
What we believe here, or anywhere, we must be always ready to abandon
with open minds, or the experiment ends without ever finding the
truth. The experiment must never end because it may be the one
billionth time that the test will fail and disclose the real truth.
Whether we want to call that first cause of existence God or
Creation; whether we believe in reincarnation or atheism; the truth
becomes unattainable as soon as we believe we have found it. Remember
the old adage, " Why do you always find something in the last place
you look?"
What I have learned here is that we must be always on the lookout for
truth, never clutching so tightly to what we find that we cannot put
it down. By accumulating knowledge in this way we become wiser and
more logical, and as we learn truth, we evolve with it. I have also
learned that all of the truth of creation is not going to be found on
this tiny little pinpoint of the universe alone.
The Plejaren believe that evolving is gathering knowledge, and
waiting for change to happen individually. My spirit is not that
patient. I believe that searching for truth does not mean waiting for
truth to come to you, but for you to seek after it, and tracking it
down like prey. I believe that an open mind is a bottomless
collector, and to collect one must move about. One does not fill the
berry jar by picking off of one bush. Maybe, in the course of
stalking and hunting for truth, there are others who can offer truth
and teach technologies and abilities that can advance us, without
having to wait for evolution. Whether that is a good, or bad thing,
is not an issue when we are going to learn from any mistakes, and
continue to move forward anyway. Making mistakes is as much a part of
learning as correcting them. The scientist does not wait until he
becomes a scientist before he begins experimenting; instead he
becomes a scientist by experimenting. What other possibilities are
out there? Are there other extraterrestrials waiting to be met that
can offer immediate assistance, or teach us abilities that we can
then apply ourselves for the benefit of mankind? Why not keep an eye
out as we track down the elusive prey we call truth. A good hunter
always observes everything in the forest around him as signs and
clues to help him locate his prey. This is how we find the
opportunities. A hunter with his eyes closed will not find anything
but obstacles.
My search is as endless as my stalking grounds are limitless. I may
never corner the truth, but I will make sure that it can always find
me. The one thing that I am certain of is that the creation around us
is of intelligent design. There is no doubt about that truth. It is
as obvious as opening your eyes. And my spirit, being part of this
creation, is created with a factor of that same intelligence. Whether
the creating intelligence is called god, or creation, matters not to
me. What matters is that its effect on me is to seek after it.
Whether or not the creator will ever interact with me on a personal
basis remains a part of the mystery that I hunt for, and whether I
find the truth in this life, or another life, I always remain the
hunter. And using the creation as a guide and a comparison, I see
that life does not end with the demise of the physical, but is
constantly being renewed and replenished. The mystery of the
spiritual reality of creation goes far beyond the material that we
see, and to me that would include death. I am an immortal being who's
spirit will continue just as creation continues, and I will carry
this identity with me throughout my existence. The Great Spirit holds
the truth; the created spirits bring the truth to recognition. And
because we each bear that obligation to Creation, we each maintain
our individual perspectives and appreciations, so that each of us
maintains an individual identity that we carry forever and offer to
our creator.
My hunt continues as I move from this field to another. Good tidings
to all! I will be back to visit regularly with new thoughts I manage
to hunt down.
Sincerely,
Pathfinder,
Now known as
HUNTER "
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Well it looks like Mr. Meier is getting to be better recognized as time goes on.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner
Carb. Mike
http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner
Carb. Mike
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Re: The Billy Meier Case
Hi Wildman, Your post and point is well taken. Out of the 200 members here, Only about 5 or 6 read what I posted on my Little Soap Box anyway. And I Thank You for allowing me to have that Box while it lasted. Because it was truly just meant for those 5 or 6 individuals, in order to help them better understand their lives and the World around them.
But as it is with everything, one must be observant. The deletion of Carburetor-Mike's Deep thoughts was just the first sign that my postings are no longer welcome here. When we spoke on the phone a few weeks ago, you conveying your intentions about the future growth of this V8Bikers Website. You said we - ( Board Promoters ) needed to clean it up to bring in potential advertising support. And now with your last reply, the true intent of the Board Promoters is understood very clearly. Whether that decision is coming from the board founders or moderators. Or if it was to appease someone who allowed themselves to be offended by what I've posted. It really doesn't matter. What is done is done. What has been learned is for the better. Because I truly wouldn't want these topics to cause a problem for the growth of this site.
After all this time now, those 5 or 6 people don't need me anymore. They can see for themselves now. So I am done presenting it to them. As for the rest here, It's like the old saying goes, "You can lead the horses to water, but you can't make them drink." Just let the water be washed away, and if one was to become thirsty they can dig it up later.
I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I am not upset about it. And that I am actually grateful to have had the opportunity to speak freely here.
Class is Dismissed.
Respectfully Yours, Michael A. Levesque
AKA " Carburetor Mike "
"There is no such state as enlightened retirement, where we can live on the bounty of past attainments. Wisdom is alive only as long as it is lived, understanding is liberating only as long as it is applied. A bulging portfolio of spiritual experiences matters little if it does not have the power to sustain us through the inevitable moments of grief, loss, and change. Knowledge and achievements matter little if we do not yet know how to touch the heart of another and be touched."
http://www.theyfly.com/
But as it is with everything, one must be observant. The deletion of Carburetor-Mike's Deep thoughts was just the first sign that my postings are no longer welcome here. When we spoke on the phone a few weeks ago, you conveying your intentions about the future growth of this V8Bikers Website. You said we - ( Board Promoters ) needed to clean it up to bring in potential advertising support. And now with your last reply, the true intent of the Board Promoters is understood very clearly. Whether that decision is coming from the board founders or moderators. Or if it was to appease someone who allowed themselves to be offended by what I've posted. It really doesn't matter. What is done is done. What has been learned is for the better. Because I truly wouldn't want these topics to cause a problem for the growth of this site.
After all this time now, those 5 or 6 people don't need me anymore. They can see for themselves now. So I am done presenting it to them. As for the rest here, It's like the old saying goes, "You can lead the horses to water, but you can't make them drink." Just let the water be washed away, and if one was to become thirsty they can dig it up later.
I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I am not upset about it. And that I am actually grateful to have had the opportunity to speak freely here.
Class is Dismissed.
Respectfully Yours, Michael A. Levesque
AKA " Carburetor Mike "
"There is no such state as enlightened retirement, where we can live on the bounty of past attainments. Wisdom is alive only as long as it is lived, understanding is liberating only as long as it is applied. A bulging portfolio of spiritual experiences matters little if it does not have the power to sustain us through the inevitable moments of grief, loss, and change. Knowledge and achievements matter little if we do not yet know how to touch the heart of another and be touched."
http://www.theyfly.com/
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